Curse

Tullzinski · Mar 10, 2009, 01:14 PM // 13:14

Wasn't there a problem with double point distribution for the last 2 months? I seem to remember a note from regina about ANET not taking double award of tourney points back this month and a problem with XTH. Double the normal points this month equaled many more keys out there and triggered the latest price drop.

Mordiego · Mar 10, 2009, 02:28 PM // 14:28

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Originally Posted by esthetic

...My suggestion is as follows, make the chest drops more valuable, ie make silverwings, eternal blade, other high end items drop form the chest...

U deserve a bump for the sense of humor

... . Why do U expect to recieve even more FREE money? U get it for free so U should be happy U get it AT ALL. We call this ingratitude.

the_jos · Mar 10, 2009, 04:04 PM // 16:04

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Originally Posted by esthetic

If the Zkey prices drop any farther like to 2k it means a player with one account will only make roughly 20k to 40k a month which is not enough to satiate the masses.

Dear mister president,

Last year the price of a barrel of oil was $150. Nowadays it's only ~$50 for that same barrel. Please do something about that or we won't make enough money.

The joined chair members of the oil companies.

It's not about income, it's about balancing income and spendings.
If you have less income, cutting your spending instead of taking an additional loan might be the smartest thing to do. But then, half the 'first world' population fails to understand that so you are not alone.

Sure, this is a game.
But for some reason A-net decided to add some 'limited' stuff to it.
Some people win the lottery and get a lucky drop, others work hard for their money and some just happened to be around when stuff was cheap.
Or, to say that better, when other stuff was expensive.
Supply and demand changes constantly, usually against the majority of the 'traders'.
Why? Because when something is used as a 'shadow currency' it's an investment and investments have the risk of devaluation attached to it.
Just like investing in oil, gold, porkbellies or other commodities.
If the value of those drop, people will change their investments for something of solid value. Because most people don't buy commodities (or derivatives) because they need them, but because they can make money with them.
Many investors in oil would not like to have a delivery truck pumping oil in their offices when their future contract ends....

And if you invest in something rare in time it will be less rare and it might even become somewhat common (like Voltaic Spears).
When people will farm them production is going up (instead of one a week it's now one a day because more people farm) and production will increase over time (more efficient builds and more experienced players).

Why those worries about your ingame income.
It's like you are some kind of trader for a financial institution that is looking at his money going down the drain.
It's a game you know, pixels on a screen. Play for fun and to be honest I doubt that worrying about ingame gold or income adds more fun to it.

esthetic · Mar 10, 2009, 06:11 PM // 18:11

I think this is going off topic. I am saying lets keep a source of ingame income for ppl so they dont have to grind farm if they dont want to and give the casual gammer an alternative to buying ingame gold with real life money from third parties.

Zkeys i think did address this but if the price of the Zkey drops too far it will not be effective anymore.

Sorry to offend you purists out there who want to keep this "game" as close to the real life as possible.

RedNova88 · Mar 10, 2009, 09:58 PM // 21:58

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Originally Posted by DragonRogue

ALL weapon skins DO have a chance to fall from the chest.

I was under the assumption that certain "high end" skins didn't even have a chance to drop. Oh well, my mistake.

Bobulation · Mar 10, 2009, 10:33 PM // 22:33

Im pretty sure there are like ~5 skins that cant drop, thats it.

HawkofStorms · Mar 10, 2009, 11:42 PM // 23:42

Yeah, the only stuff that doesn't drop is stuff that is crafted (ie, destroyer or tormented weapons) or certain stuff that just doesn't drop anywhere (like gold versions of certain exclusive skins only used by greens).

And @esthetic, since a large number of people who buy z-keys do so with "dirty money," it really is no different from supporting the gold sellers directly.
Furthermore, money is RIDICULOUSLY easy to acquire in this game and there is nothing to really spend it on. No other MMO I have every seen has it this easy. Casual gamers DON'T need tons of money and they can still buy everything they want with max stats just by playing through the storyline. "Casual gamer" doesn't mean you can't beat GW:EN once (which took me 3 days to beat when I first bought it) and collect the gold reward from a NM storyline book.

FURTHERMORE, if z-keys suddenly did spike up in price (of course, many of your suggestions would actually have the exact opposite affect) then the causal and non-causal gamers (who after all, make XTH predictions as well) would both get more money. Therefore there wouldn't really be any benefit as the poorer players would still be just as poor relative to the rich.

gouso85 · Mar 11, 2009, 03:18 PM // 15:18

I think all this ramble about z keys and chests are going out of controll.. the best way i think is not to shut the predictions game down but to make the z keys customized then everyone would have to use the keys themself and can only use one account and they can get a small ammount of cash from the drops which eveyone can sell.

nottin in life is free untill a net maid it so

Wish Swiftdeath · Mar 11, 2009, 03:32 PM // 15:32

/notsigned

XTH doesn't even work on my accounts so be happy yours does.

Tullzinski · Mar 11, 2009, 05:59 PM // 17:59

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Originally Posted by Wish Swiftdeath

/notsigned

XTH doesn't even work on my accounts so be happy yours does.

Support has been unable to fix it? They fixed both my accts.

http://www.guildwars.com/support/default.php

Aldric · Mar 11, 2009, 11:20 PM // 23:20

God i'm fed up reading whiney posts from people who do nothing more than complain that their free for doing nothing shit isn't enough and they want more.

20-40k a month should be plenty ontop of the shedloads you make from actually just playing the game.

crazybanshee · Mar 12, 2009, 02:35 AM // 02:35

Ummm, would you like to start a level 1 character that immediately has all skills and titles, and max armor, and all quests done? What else would there be to play for? Free money not enough for you? Or did you stockpile keys and cry as the value plummeted?

esthetic · Mar 12, 2009, 07:41 AM // 07:41

Hmm, so you decided to complain about the people you think are complaining... I am fed up with ppl who have nothing constructive to say but complain about other peoples posts! or is this your strat to +1? and don't use the lords name in vain dear.

Shasgaliel · Mar 12, 2009, 08:58 AM // 08:58

I would prefer them to be 400g each so /unsigned.

Aldric · Mar 12, 2009, 10:58 AM // 10:58

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Originally Posted by esthetic

Hmm, so you decided to complain about the people you think are complaining... I am fed up with ppl who have nothing constructive to say but complain about other peoples posts! or is this your strat to +1? and don't use the lords name in vain dear.

Yes because greedy people whining about not getting enough free stuff is annoying and when you make a thread on a forum about not getting enough free stuff you can expect some people to disagree.

You wanted opinions on how to Anet can change the game/z chest so that you personally could benefit because the 20-40k you can expect free each month is just not enough.I stated my own opinion that 40k + game money should be fine for anyone.

esthetic · Mar 12, 2009, 01:45 PM // 13:45

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Originally Posted by Aldric

Yes because greedy people whining about not getting enough free stuff is annoying and when you make a thread on a forum about not getting enough free stuff you can expect some people to disagree.

You wanted opinions on how to Anet can change the game/z chest so that you personally could benefit because the 20-40k you can expect free each month is just not enough.I stated my own opinion that 40k + game money should be fine for anyone.

Here is an observation i made from some of the posts here. Some people have posted basically stating, "Why do you care its only pixels" others have posted "Why are you asking for free stuff?"

Look, this is a GAME we are playing. A fantasy GAME. I am not asking for "FREE STUFF" I agree, its all pixels, a game, this is entertainment, and I am making an observation and suggestion on increasing the entertainment value of the GAME.

Chieftain Heavyhand · Mar 12, 2009, 01:56 PM // 13:56

Just like everything GW get in fast or lose out.

Farming spots, speed clear builds, whatever be there at the beginning or lose out.

Same with Z-keys, was a great money maker to begin with, more and more people found out about the keys, people got greedy bought more accounts, A-net messed up and gave double points two months in a row, and the guys who are gobbling the keys up seem to be running out of cash.

To the guy who wishes the keys were 400g each I bet you do.

The market is flooded with keys they were free so some of the people are selling low. But I look at it like the ecto prices during the speed clear times ecto prices went way down because the market was flooded, they came back up after a while. I think the keys will to. After all the extra keys are used up from the double point fiasco, prices will go back up, will they hit 5k a key, I'm not sure.

Buyers I'm sure wish the key prices would go below 2k, but from a sellers point of view those guys were willing to pay 5k at one time so it is just a waiting game.

AS for the complaining about the drop in price, it was bound to happen.

HawkofStorms · Mar 12, 2009, 08:57 PM // 20:57

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Originally Posted by Chieftain Heavyhand

AS for the complaining about the drop in price, it was bound to happen.

Exactly. Sorrows Furnace Greens that used to sell for 100k+20e are now merchant food. Elemental swords went down in value. Minipets go down in value. Ectos go down in value.

Everything in this game will eventually drop in value as people start to hoard oversupplys to use as currency.

Proff · Mar 13, 2009, 04:31 PM // 16:31

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Originally Posted by esthetic

Well, if you have played lately you know that the Zkey prices have dropped yet again. From what I recall they were as high as 8,000 now they are as low as 3,500. I guess its supply and demand as many ppl are now signed up to get their keys and they have gotten their rank 1 emote so not as much demand. Only those crazy ppl trying to max out this title and looking for an everlast are buying keys.

Why is this an issue? People use Zkeys every month to sell and fund their in game purchases and activies allows more time for playing and not farming, for those that do not like to farm. I would say since the addition of Zkeys there seems to be less third party sale of in game gold and items for real world money. Both of these things are a good thing in my opinion.

I wonder where you go those statistics? Since clearly more money = more excess especially with pvp players who could really care less about the title.

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Originally Posted by esthetic

If the Zkey prices drop any farther like to 2k it means a player with one account will only make roughly 20k to 40k a month which is not enough to satiate the masses.

That's terrible, maybe they should go on welfare.

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Originally Posted by esthetic

My suggestion is as follows, make the chest drops more valuable, ie make silverwings, eternal blade, other high end items drop form the chest. Have Z rank increase the max cap. for Balth Faction. Decrease the max needed for Rank 12 (currently this is set so high only [rawr] or ppl with 20 accounts can reach it). This will drive up the price of Z Keys.

No it won't, it may temporarily but in the long run it'll do more harm than good.

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Originally Posted by esthetic

My motives are for my own gain as I have multiple accounts and the changes will affect me are multiplied. Flame away!!!

Grrrrrrrrrrreat.